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At the kitchen table in conversation with Derk Loorbach

🎬 Multilingual subtitles
✍️ By: Team BC1.NL

A transition conversation about the Netherlands after corona

"I'm in the kitchen, at the kitchen table," is how the conversation about the impact of corona begins. Reality feels unreal, and many people are searching for new routines. Some say it takes around thirty days to settle into a new structure, which makes it all the more important to pause deliberately during this period and think about how we handle change.

DRIFT and the strength of working resiliently

Derk Loorbach, director of DRIFT (the Dutch Research Institute For Transitions), describes how the organisation is coping with the current situation. Despite the sudden shift, DRIFT has proven resilient. Much of its work already took place online, and staff were partly used to working from home. Even so, making a real connection online and encouraging co-creation remains a challenge.

From co-creation drinks to a transition conversation

What started as an experiment, online co-creation drinks, has grown into a weekly transition conversation. It's a space to explore questions like "What does this crisis actually mean?" and "What opportunities for positive change is it opening up?" Anyone who wants to contribute or share ideas is welcome. The sessions take place every Friday and are open to all.

Companies rethink their role in society

The corona crisis is prompting companies to look at their core values in a new light. More weight is being given to social value, collaboration, and sustainability. According to Loorbach, this is a movement that has been underway for some time, driven in part by consumers and policymakers. The crisis reinforces the trend and invites people to think beyond simply maximising profit.

Expected surprises show why system change is needed

In the world of transition thinking, people talk about "expected surprises." When a system is no longer sustainable, shocks are bound to follow, think of the earthquakes in Groningen or the air pollution from diesel cars. Events like these act as triggers that set system change in motion. The real question is how we can respond to them proactively rather than reactively.

Stumbling forward, a new way of looking at moments of crisis

Rather than returning to the old normal, Loorbach makes the case for "stumbling forward." A crisis is precisely the moment to embrace transformation. That takes trust, trust in alternatives, in entrepreneurs, in investors. As that trust grows, we really can start building new structures.

Tips for entrepreneurs, use this time to reflect and redesign

Loorbach urges entrepreneurs to make the most of this period of standstill. Look around you, have the conversation, and explore which alternative futures might be possible for your organisation. The old model of endless growth and efficiency has reached its limits. Now is the moment to begin your own transition.

See also:
At the kitchen table in conversation with Ilja Werkhoven
The new way of working 2020

Frequently asked questions

This is a short summary of the film. Watch the video above for the full story.

What is a transition conversation from DRIFT?
A transition conversation is a weekly online meeting held by DRIFT, previously called co-creation drinks, which anyone who signs up through the site can take part in. In a large online group people share the tension they feel and look together at the positive developments and the question of where things could go.
What does stumbling forward mean according to Derk Loorbach?
Stumbling forward means using a crisis or tipping point as a transformative moment instead of restoring the old. People's reflex is often to close up or to want to go back to business as usual, whereas what you want is to build the confidence that it cannot go on and that the alternative already exists.
Which direction should enterprise take according to Derk Loorbach?
According to Loorbach, enterprise should create value for people and nature and be fairly rewarded for it. Companies have for some time been looking from within for social value, broad prosperity and social enterprise, and they are also being pushed towards it from outside by consumers and policy.
What does Derk Loorbach mean by expected surprises?
Expected surprises are shocks that occur when a system is untenable (unsustainable) and we cannot go on with it forever. As examples he names the earthquakes in Groningen that put the Groningen gas field up for discussion, and the mobility sector, where the poor air quality from fossil diesel cars makes people die earlier while the car industry devised tricks to pretend those cars were becoming cleaner.
Where can I watch the full film?
These questions and answers are a short summary. Watch the full film "At the kitchen table in conversation with Derk Loorbach" with all insights, examples and background at https://www.bc1.eu/at-the-kitchen-table-in-conversation-with-derk-loorbach/